Heleen van Royen and Johan Derksen argue Today Inside

Heleen van Royen and Johan Derksen appeared last night Today Inside not exactly unanimous. On the contrary, Van Royen could count on a number of sneers from Derksen. But VIviewers thought the author had a point.

The table discussion arises when the World Cup in Qatar is discussed. It was previously announced that at least 6,500 people were killed during the preparations for the football spectacle. Johan Derksen has regularly spoken out about this, because according to ‘the mustache’ the Dutch government is not taking the right role in this. Derksen believes that prominent Dutch figures such as the king, queen or ministers should not travel to Qatar because of the human rights that are being violated there.

Johan Derksen about Qatar World Cup in Today Inside

But the World Cup in Qatar also has interests for the Netherlands. because VIguest Chris Woerts says that the Netherlands owes the Arab country because of the evacuation of Afghan interpreters. Qatar helped the Netherlands at the time. And presenter Wilfred Genee emphasizes that the liquid gas from Qatar, which the Netherlands wants, also weighs heavily.

But Derksen sticks to his position and believes that there should be more protest from the Dutch government. Genee also asks Van Royen for her opinion and apparently she thinks differently than her 73-year-old table companion. “We are always pointing fingers. I always find it very difficult when you are going to tell someone else what to do or not to do.” According to her, a Máxima or Willem-Alexander should ask themselves whether the case does not gnaw at their conscience. “But I don’t understand why someone else is going to say: ‘You can’t go there, because I think it’s a shame what happened there’.”

Heleen van Royen: ‘Are you going to watch the World Cup, Johan?’

Mr Derksen already looks somewhat dubious at the words of Van Royen and then a stern “Dear Heleen” sounds, after which he starts a plea. “They are representatives of the people and the king also represents the people. And 75 percent of the people don’t want them to go. Is that finger pointing? Very massive finger pointing, they can’t ignore that.” After which Derksen emphasizes that the principles of the royal family are hard to find. “So apparently they have no principles, it’s just ordinary about money.”

“But Johan, are you going to watch those matches?” Van Royen picks up again when Derksen has finished his speech. “You really shouldn’t do that.” And that’s where Van Royen misses the mark, according to Derksen. “No, now you keep saying stupid things,” he responds.

Johan Derksen: ‘You are talking shit’

Van Royen raises her voice at the Today Inside-table. “Yes, hello, principles. If you say I think it’s disgusting, we shouldn’t do that and we shouldn’t go there. So you actually think we shouldn’t have played football there.” But according to Derksen, we cannot avoid that. “We can get out of everything, why not?” asks Van Royen. After which Derksen explains that with such a decision, the Netherlands will be expelled from FIFA and blow up the entire Dutch football. “Refreshing”, Van Royen responds.

Van Royen mentions once again that we should not point too much at someone else. After which she emphasizes that wrong things are also happening in the Netherlands, such as a subsidy affair or gas extraction in Groningen. But Derksen quickly draws her attention to the fact that 6500 deaths cannot be compared with that. “From now on, we no longer point to countries, we are not critical and we think everything is beautiful,” says Derksen sarcastically. “You’re talking from your neck,” he says towards the dinner guest. “No, I’m not talking from my neck,” Van Royen reacts fiercely.

VI viewers understand Van Royen

After that, the discussion moves to another topic, namely the Hazes documentary. Van Royen watched the documentary because she was curious. “The Hazes family is one of the most famous families in our country.” After which Derksen cynically “well” grumbles through her. “Johan thinks I’m already sweating my ass, even though I haven’t said anything yet.” The two don’t really align. Incidentally, it appears from the responses of the VIviewers that some can follow Van Royen’s point of view.

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