The ‘One Love’ captain’s armband that Feyenoord footballer Orkun Kökçü refused to wear because of his religious beliefs was discussed on just about every talk show last night. Likewise with HLF8 and that led to a heated discussion. Comedian and actor Paul Haenen and former football player Anouar Diba were diametrically opposed in a discussion about homophobia.
Kökçü did not want to wear the captain’s armband, which is intended as a statement against discrimination, because of his faith. Diba believes that no one should be forced into certain actions. In addition, according to Diba, Kökçü was not aware that the band was intended as an anti-discrimination statement, rather than a statement for the LGBTQ+ community.
Paul Haenen in discussion with Anouar Diba about homophobia
“We as Muslims don’t have to discuss that, we’re just not going to wear it,” Diba refers to a band that would be intended as support for the LGBTQ community. “That is not allowed by our faith. If you don’t respect that, you don’t respect us either. We are against any form of discrimination, only you cannot force someone to wear such a band.” The former football player believes that Feyenoord could have made a statement by standing behind their captain.
“Isn’t it nice that it becomes clear where homophobia comes from?”, Haenen hooks in, who is also known with his alter-ego Dominee Gremdaat. “That we don’t pretend that the whole of the Netherlands is very tolerant. That we all wear a band and then beat up gays. I think it’s good that he doesn’t wear it and that you immediately know: ‘That’s where the homophobia comes from’. Let’s not call each other sissies and be clear about that.”
Fierce discussion at HLF8 table
Diba turns towards Haenen. “Where do you think homophobia comes from?” And Haenen is adamant about that: “From you, among others.” Then Diba asks if the actor himself is gay. “A lot of Muslims, that’s where the homophobia comes from,” says Haenen. After which the former football player emphasizes that it also comes from “a lot of Jews”. But Haenen continues: “And from strict evangelical people, it is widespread, the homophobia. And that has to come out.” After which Diba emphasizes that after the comedian’s words we also “know where discrimination comes from”.
There is some commotion at the table about the meaning of the band. Diba states that he will not have the discussion with Haenen because it is “not his level”. After which dinner guest Jack van Gelder mentions that he finds that a bit “easy”. Van Gelder stands up for Haenen and gets into an altercation with the former football player. Then presenter Hélène Hendriks intervenes. “We can also just keep it civil and respect everyone’s opinion.”
— Michel 🇳🇱🇮🇱 (@Michel1401) October 17, 2022
And this is what it’s all about
‘Muslims don’t want anything to do with gays’
‘So yes?’ is the answer
— Roger (@rogier1974) October 17, 2022
The Kokcu discussion almost leads to a fight in the studio. #HLF8
— Rens (@Voetbalisgeloo1) October 17, 2022
‘Captain’s belt fake tolerance’
Later Haenen tells that he is against imposing such a band for football players. “I’d rather it be clear where the hatred comes from. And that something is being done about it and that we do not have an apparent tolerance.”
During the discussion, Diba sticks to his position and believes that everyone can have their own opinion. When Hendriks ends the table conversation, Diba emphasizes that he “as long as that gentleman does not come to sit at the table”, after which he points to Haenen, he thinks it is “nice”.
— bianca 🔴⚪⚫ (@19BiancA08) October 17, 2022
I’m so tired of this discussion. Just stop with statement tapes in football…except for a mourning tape! #hlf8
— Pieta 😃🐶🎶❤🙏 (@PietaSpoelstra) October 17, 2022
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